Learning from Norway’s Tragedy

Norway Mourns Victims Anti-Islam “Crusader”

It’s scary what one “person” can do. He detonates a bomb at government headquarters. Then, he takes a ferry to an island where a summer camp is being held. He is able to go on a shooting rampage for an hour and a half, killing over 80 people.

He believes this was necessary. He was anti-Muslim and was part of the party that became the 2nd biggest in 2009. That party ran on an anti-immigration platform. He left because they were too “politically correct.”

These kinds of terrorists can be the most dangerous because they’re almost impossible to keep track of. They think that whatever organization they belong to aren’t doing enough. Not bringing about change fast enough. They branch out on their own and take matters into their own hands.

All of these people are dead because he has a problem with the changing population in Norway. In 15 years, the number of Muslim immigrants tripled to half a million. Anti-immigrant sentiment is rising there, but this guy took it to a whole new level.

It’s scary because we are seeing that here too. Anti-Muslim rhetoric is all over – from protesting the building of a Mosque in TN to sites like Creeping Sharia. And that idiot preacher in Florida who burned the Qur’an? Completely offensive.

I really hope we don’t see something like that here. Throughout our short American history, immigrants have gone through discrimination. It’s sad that it really isn’t changing. Only the group targeted changes.

Maybe this tragedy will help open our eyes. We’re a land of immigrants. And the newest group isn’t the enemy.


29 responses to “Learning from Norway’s Tragedy

  • lobotero

    You know, I am sorry to say….but I feel like it is only a matter of time before something like this could happen here…..

    • Don in Mass

      I have the same thoughts as you have, and it can happen at any moment.

    • Terrance H.

      Yeah. If I ever see some dude with a gun ranting and raving about Muslims or something, I’ll just be like, “I’m Jewish, dude. I’m on your side.” LOL.

      I mean, not to make light of the situation. Levity is a problem I seem to have. But I think people who have a mental issue will use any excuse in the world, like that Jared Loughner. If not Muslims, then the guy in Norway would have come up with another reason to kill. He was clearly disturbed.

      I don’t think a hatred for Muslims will drive any sane person to kill indiscriminately like the idiot in Norway. In America, history has shown us that we are very discriminate about who we kill and why.

      • Spinny Liberal

        Of course, anyone who decides to take out as many people as they can is disturbed. Loughner didn’t seem as “focused” as Breivik. In levels of disturbed, I would put Loughner at the top. He has been deemed mentally incompetent to stand trial for now because of outbursts in court.

        Breivik wrote a 1500 page manifesto and was pretty specific when it came to those he hated. He planned carefully. He wanted to use the court to spout off his reasons why this was “necessary.” Glad the judge shut that down. He fancies himself a crusader and was calm in court. I would put him in the sociopathic, terrorist zealot category.

  • Snoring Dog Studio

    It should be a wake up call for all of us living in diverse communities – but will it? I’m convinced that no other group besides the right wing religious fanatics resorts to such crazy behavior. You just don’t see liberals doing this kind of thing. No country is safe from the insanity of hatred.

    • Spinny Liberal

      I don’t know if it will. The right wing will fight you on the belief that they are the ones who resort to that kind of behavior. I think it can be hard core left wingers too. However, the ones that we’ve been seeing lately have been from that side.

    • Terrance H.

      Snoring,

      That’s not fair. What about the Eco-Terrorist or whatever. He was a big Save The Spotted Owl and Bushy Trees liberal guy.

      I think you see it on the Right more than on the Left, but I also think that people who are disturbed will use any reason whatsoever to justify their murderous behavior. It’s like those idiots who blow up abortion clinics. They claim to be pro-life, but in fact they are pro-choice. They believe they have the right to end the life of another. That’s not my definition of pro-life.

      • Snoring Dog Studio

        You’re right, Terrance. I painted with a very broad brush. As you say, crazy people do crazy things. Horrible things. We can’t spot them in a crowd, either. Gawd, I hate guns.

      • Terrance H.

        Mostly, though, you’re quite right. It does seem to me that those on the Right are more susceptible to that kind of, um, insanity. Let’s me honest. Look at the personality profile of a typical right-winger and compare it with Timothy McVeigh…..

        Pretty much exact.

  • lbwoodgate

    Fear and ignorance have become more deadly with easy access to weaponry made from man-made fertilizers and automatic weapons. Assassins think in terms of volume now rather than the popularity of their targets. Had Booth had access to such weapons he would have perhaps blown the entire Ford Theater up in his efforts to kill Lincoln.

  • beaglezmom

    Xenophobia is a psychological cancer – only instead of killing the person who has it – it kills others. As long as there is power to be had by hating and oppressing someone different – people will do it, and along the way – the deluded and violet will walk beside them until their internal bomb goes off.

    Notice the outcome of parties that rode to power through anti-immigration? Always destruction at the end. And, I am convinced the ultra right-wing is so obsessed with Sharia Law only because they don’t want the religious law of Muslims to run our government when they would rather have their christian religious law running it. They don’t see Sharia as damaging to freedom — they see it as competition.

  • dcmartin

    “They don’t see Sharia as damaging to freedom — they see it as competition.”
    I have long felt that same thing, Beaglezmom……….often times when I hear people railing about the horrors of Sharia, there seems to be an underlying sense of jealousy – ” we don’t cut off your hand for stealing or stone women to death for being “loose”………..but I wish we could”.
    Muslim Sharia is to be feared and exposed at all costs, and under its cover they are moving to entrench their own Christian version into law books across the nation.

    • Spinny Liberal

      “we don’t cut off your hand for stealing or stone women to death for being “loose”………..but I wish we could”.
      Dang that is probably creepily accurate.

    • beaglezmom

      Dcmartin – the is so scary and true — its the unspoken tragedy of all these “our country needs to get back to God” politicians and voters. By focusing people on what we see as the barbarism of sharia law (stoning, cutting off hands) we can’t clearly see the barbarism of a group telling women who they must marry, how they must act, and where their place (submission) really is.

  • Politics Room

    This is sad, and fascinating all at the same time. Frankly, if you step back for a moment the reality is that religion has done so much harm throughout history. Today, you see humans killing each other all over the earth just because they follow a different religion than their own.
    I think the world would be much better without religion or if we just learned to get along. Unfortunately, we have fanatics in all religions who don’t tolerate dissent.

  • nonnie9999

    the only people who will not learn very needed lessons from the tragedy in norway are the very people who really need to learn those lessons. the right-wing nutjobs immediately jumped on the story and blamed muslims. when it was learned that it was a right-wing christian, the wingnuts didn’t back away from their bigoted idiocy. they just started describing the attack as muslim-like. no it wasn’t. the bombing was very much timothy mcveigh-like, and the shooting was very much like school shootings, almost all of which, if not all, were committed by non-muslims.

    my heart goes out to the norwegian people. such a terrible tragedy.

  • TerranceH

    I would say the guy in Norway is a functioning psychotic that fixiated on a single issue. I don’t find it impressive that he wrote a 1500 page manifesto. So did Hitler and he was clearly insane.

    My point is that if an otherwise sane person thinks he needs to kill Muslims, it would be very discriminate. Norway was an indiscrimate rampage, I think.

    • Spinny Liberal

      Oh it was discriminate. He targeted the government buildings and the camp was a Labor Party Youth Camp. His reasoning was scary as hell:

      Anders Behring Breivik said Monday that his mass slaughter of people in Norway was targeted at the governing Labor Party for its “treason” in allowing Muslims to “colonize” the country, and said he had unspecified help from “two further cells in our organization.” He also told a court he killed scores of youngsters attending a Labor Party youth camp “to induce the greatest possible loss to the Labor Party to limit new recruits.” “The Labor Party failed the country and the price of its treason” was the carnage he carried out last Friday, he said.

      http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2011/07/25/159311.html

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