God Loves the First Amendment

1st Amendment Protects Military Funeral Protesters

I won’t indulge his horrendous signs since we all know what they look like. I decided to put up an image with the signs used at a San Francisco counter protest of Phelps.

Even though “Reverend” Phelps won, he’s still a disgusting, disrespectful attention whore who knows absolutely nothing about being Christ-like.

If Jesus were to return tomorrow:

1. Phelps and his ilk would not recognize Him
2. After showing ID, I’ll bet my paycheck Phelps will have a lot of explaining to do.

The real winner here is Freedom of Speech.

32 responses to “God Loves the First Amendment

  • lobotero

    Like Gandhi said (I beleive)…” the concept of Christianity is a great concept…too bad it has never been tried”

  • Don in Mass

    I was disgusted today with the Supreme Court’s 8-1 decision, in letting those sickos from the Westboro Church, get away with their hatred. I’m afraid now that the whack jobs on talk radio and Fox Propaganda will only get worse. This country is going to hell in a hand basket mighty fast.

    • SpinnyLiberal

      Their message is completely repugnant. But they have a right to protest provided they comply with the distance laws, etc. And they have. It totally sucks but it’s their right.

      That said, they are horrendous people. At the funeral of a gay man, the family showed them Christ like behavior. They offered food to them despite their disrespect. One of the protesters said “I don’t want your AIDS-infested donuts.”

      ๐Ÿ˜ฆ People suck.

    • Christopher Cocca

      Don, you might be interested to know that O’Rielly is with Alito (and you) on this decision. I have yet to read the written opinions.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        I only saw two written opinions in the document – Alito dissenting, Breyer concurring. It was weird. I wanted to see how others weighed in (more than the vote).

  • Kini

    Upholding the Constitution’s First Amendment is the right decision, despite the hatred Westboro Church spews. I think Americans, both liberal and conservative, can agree this doesn’t belong in our society.

    @Don in Mass, you must be a one of the Westboro Church members. You certainly talk like one.

    • Snoring Dog Studio

      Kini – you need to chill with the insults and slaps. Really. Your points, even if they might be good ones, are getting lost in your vitriolic tone.

  • Questioning With Boldness...

    Yay… we finally agree on something Spinny. Now I have to go back and reconsider my position!~ LOL

    Normally, I don’t comment on your posts because of the contentiousness that seems to evolve on the comments section(see, I DO read your blog!) and as we’ve discussed, I’m not into that kind of heated discourse but this one has me bothered.

    I don’t want to get drawn into a major debate here but I must say that there is NO connection between Fox News’ reporting and the unconscionable Westboro Baptist Church in anyway at all… And it must be noted that Pastor Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church has run for political office 5 times…. wait for it…. as a Democrat.

    To link this to Fox News reporting in any comment is pure nonsense, even if you are merely attempting to suggest that the protection of Freedom Of Speech allows for Fox News to have an opinion. Doing so only serves to voice an off-topic slam on an opposing perspective. We are a nation that MUST have a two party system to survive and I defend the need to have a voice from the Democratic Party… but NOT the socialist/progressive agenda that has permeated the Democratic Party. They need to be expelled from the party. They are what is going to destroy America, not Fox News or a Republican perspective. Both true Democrats and Conservatives deserve to voice their opinion equally for the sake of our republic.

    And just for the purpose of providing fair information, as Spinny well knows, I used to be a life-long Democrat. The shift in the party left me a long time ago. My country’s survival is more important than any agenda that is coming from the current platform in the Democratic Party.

    • SpinnyLiberal

      Dangit Questioning you had me until:

      I defend the need to have a voice from the Democratic Partyโ€ฆ but NOT the socialist/progressive agenda that has permeated the Democratic Party. They need to be expelled from the party.

      See? I don’t agree with this at all. Everyone should have a voice. When you listen to them, they make you think about your own beliefs. I don’t believe in silencing anyone. Our tent is huge. ๐Ÿ™‚

      I would argue, though, the ones on the far, far Left do not want to be called Democrats or even liberals. I have friends on the far Left. We’re not Left enough for them. But – some will still vote Democrat because they can not stomach the alternative. This is what happens when you have a two-party system.

      I came within inches of agreeing with your comment. So close yet so far. ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        See… I’m not saying that they don’t get to have a voice… but just not one from the Democratic Party. The Dem Party has evolved away from it’s traditional values into muddy waters. Let the socialists and progressives stick to their own parties. Or jump into the Green Party which shares the same ideal. Form a new party but don’t borrow off the existant party that has so much voting power. It is only self-serving for them to do so because they are feeding of the apathy of voters who will vote straight party line without researching a candidate or an issue. Spinny, you as well as I do our homework. We have our personal positions that are based on our circumstances in life but we know what we stand for and what the candidates stand for. I am concerned for the Dem Party because the more infiltration of socialism into the party, the less the party serves America as a balance to the Republican Party. Socialism is not a balance to Republicans, it is a counter to Capitalism and American Free Market principles. Therein lies the dangers of the influx of socialism into the Dem Party… we will no longer see a political discourse on ideas for best running a republic based on free market principles, we will see a battle for America altogether.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        “Borrowing off of the existing party” is exactly what the Tea Party is doing to get their candidates elected. I know people believe that socialism has infiltrated the party, but exactly when do Conservatives believe this happened? The New Deal? And what things are the Democrats doing now that would qualify as “socialism?” Universal health care? I’m curious.

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        Well, I guess I’m getting drawn into a long discussion anyways… The Tea Party is not borrowing off the existing party. They are angry at the direction of both America and the Republican Party. Not all Tea Party members are Republicans but the greater majority are conservative. Most Tea Party members can’t stand RINO’s, me included. You saw that with Lisa Murkowski and Mike Castle. You will likely see that in the years ahead with McCain, Scott Brown, and Lindsey Graham amongst others. The primary and sole focus of the Tea Party is to restore fiscal prudence, a smaller and limited government, and free markets. That is it… they don’t have issue with social issues, it’s not of their primary goals. They have not co-opted the Republican Party but they are attempting to return it to it’s original platforms. The opposite is true of the socialist party and their association within the Dem Party. Take some time to research it… go to CPUSA and visit Int’l Socialist Organization. They are using the Dem Party to vault their agendas to the forefront of the Party. Those ideas, socialism and communism, were never a part of the Dem Party but have long been espoused by select members who covertly got elected as Dems…. much like how RINOs get elected on the Rep ticket only to find out they aren’t Republicans at all. Apathy and ignorance wins out and they ultimately get re-elected until someone wakes up the voters of the party.

        Socialism in the Dem Party? Right here: http://sanders.senate.gov/newsroom/news/?id=7b6eba9b-67f5-4d8f-bc75-ce63a07035d2
        That’s from Bernie Sanders own website… he doesn’t hide his socialist party connections. Socialism has long been reaching into the Dem Party but only now has it really been exposed. The truth is, the apathy of voters permits it to exist today. Remember though, as I have posted on my blog, USSR stood for Union of Soviet Socialists Republic, China is a Socialist Republic(really Communist), North Vietnam was the same, Korea is Communist, Cuba is as well… do we want that type of life or leadership in America? Lenin himself said, “Democracy is indispensible to socialism”

        We, as Americans, must safe-guard our country. Do we go so far as to allow for free speech to permit an ideology that takes away all free speech? We have to accept that although some things are permitted, are they right? Just because you CAN do something doesn’t mean you SHOULD… because it may be wrong. Sometimes we must effectuate a form of discrimination by simply saying that, “you can say what you want but get your own microphone! you can’t have mine.”

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Bernie Sanders is aregistered Independent. Sure, he works on the Democratic caucuses, but he’s definitely not a Democrat. He’s a socialist and 100% Vermont – very independent thinking there.

        The Tea Party has definitely borrowed off of the Republicans in the sense that they latched on to one party in a two-party system. It makes sense to choose the one whose ideals are closest to yours. It’s been wildly successful as we’ve seen in the midterms. They’re getting their candidates elected and their stance heard. You say that they don’t like RINOs. I argue that they don’ like CINOS (Conservatives in name only). Fiscal prudence, small government, and free markets is at the core, but it’s being overshadowed by their social conservatism. Tea party candidates like O’Donnell, Angle, Walker believe in abortion being illegal, even in cases of rape and incest. How did that get into an agenda that was about smaller government and fiscal responsibility?

        I like that “get your own microphone, you can’t have mine.”

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        Spinny, you are partly correct in your assessment. Bernie is an Independent and he does caucus with the Dems(it should be noted, the Dems never run a candidate against him!) As for saying that social issues are a part of the Tea Party stance, that is where you are wrong.

        Citing O’Donnell, Angle, and Walker are good choices for making your point(surprised you left out Palin:) ) but the fact that they had social issues does not make them Tea Party candidates. They were backed by the Tea Party for their platform planks related to fiscal responsibility, smaller government belief, and free market stance. The social issues are NOT part of the Tea Party position… the Tea Party does not exist as a party per se. It is a movement of people who coined the tea Party name for a handful of reasons, most commonly associated with the concept behind the Boston tea Party, they also relate “Tea” to actually meaning “T”axed “E”nough “A”lready. This encompasses their belief for a smaller gov’t and fiscal prudence as well as some free market concepts.

        Any person running for office is going to have to take a position on social issues because inevitably, they are fundamentally important to Americans. You stand for abortion, I don’t… we would naturally want to know where any given candidate stands in an election and that is why their social positions were also covered. Those are a matter of personal beliefs for them and again, not a matter of concern for the Tea Party movement. They were given support by the Tea Party Movement solely on the goals of the Tea Party.

        There aren’t many Democrats involved in the Tea Party because fiscal prudence requires the removal of most social programs from both budgetary expense as well as government agency jobs. In fact, none on the national level and only a small handful at the state level. I wish it was different though. I would like to see more Democrats embrace the basic fundamental concepts of the Tea Party someday.

        Your misperception of the Tea Party stems from the way that the Tea Party has been portrayed through many media sources and is kinda to be expected, honestly. I won’t hold it against you… if you promise to not read any Media Matters stories! ๐Ÿ™‚

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Thanks for the explanation. I knew about the acronym, but I didn’t know they backed those candidates solely because of their shared economic ideology. The social issues came with the territory because of the candidate himself/herself. That is tricky because the image becomes blurred – a combo of economics and social ideology. You may blame the media for concentrating on the social platforms, but the candidates they backed already had the strong social opinions to begin with.

        Hmmm. I’ll stop reading Media Matters articles if you stop listening to Michelle Malkin.

        Yup. Didn’t think so. ๐Ÿ˜›

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        LOL… I would put Media Matters on the level of Alex Jones and beyond. Besides, Michelle Malkin is kinda hot, but a total 10 when compared to George Soros. ๐Ÿ˜‰

        I agree that there is blur when you try to look at the candidates but if the only platforms that the Tea Party is concerned with, then what would their chosen candidates say when asked about social issues? “Nah, I won’t be involved in legislation on that issue.”? See, that won’t work either. And that is why social issues are really irrelevant to the Tea Party and just as much, so is the letter after the name. If a Dem stood up and said I want the support of the Tea Party because I believe in cutting federal spending for superfluous social programs, eliminating government bureaucracies, and want to provide a tax friendly environment to grow our free market with much less regulation… then they would find a large support base in the Tea Party. But as you can see, those words don’t come from the mouths of Democrats running for office today.

        I say, “Spinny… grab ahold of those platforms and run for Congress. You’ll get my support. Just don’t ever take a stand on abortion.” LOL ๐Ÿ™‚

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Haha compared to Soros, Malkin is a 100.

        Yeah, they do have to vote on the social legislation at the very least. Can’t vote “present” every time. I don’t know if the Tea Party would support Democrats because deciding on what is superfluous and what isn’t would be a nightmare. And the regulation thing…you know how I am about that. I believe it’s so important for the environment and in the market – lest we have Beijing’s air quality and a repeat of the financial meltdown.

        I can see it now – “Abortion. Questioning said not to comment.” ๐Ÿ˜‰ I could never be a politician, though. Considering my fun past, I would never make it past the vetting stage.

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        Hahaha… you’re not electable either? I consider myself not electable but perhaps not quite on the same level as you. Libs get downright crazy! I was a Dem and kept it somewhat legal or at least never got caught… kinda like Ted Kennedy at Chappaquiddick. “I may have been driving but she said she could swim. How was I to know that she only swam in a bathtub?!?” Easy…. before you get mad at me, remember my mom had a crush on him! ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Not even close to electable. Yeah, we are seriously crazy, but it does make for great stories. I know. Mommy got giddy like a school girl around him. ๐Ÿ™‚

  • Snoring Dog Studio

    Interesting comments, Questioning – I’ve long wanted someone to explain what they mean by Socialists taking over the Democratic party. The problem is that too many on the right and in the Tea Party claim that ALL Democrats are Socialists. And because that’s the case, I can’t take them seriously to get to the issues underlying that belief. I’m always turned off, when I hear words like “All” and “Every one.” If there’s a faction within, okay – shine a light on that. But ignorant, parrots keep saying things like “you’re socialists” without defining why that’s so. I need to do more research on this topic.

    • Questioning With Boldness...

      Snoring, thank you. I try not to be inflammatory and that is why I avoid getting involved in commenting on other blogs from the left. I appreciate your comments and can truly understand the frustration that you are talking about… kind of like saying that the Tea Party is fascists or any of a litany of insults hurled at Tea Party members. It also doesn’t feel great to hear things like teabagger either.

      It’s high-time that if we want to right our ship, we lose the childish insults and move forward in the interests of fixing our country. For me, that means restoring the Republican Party on my side and restoring the Democratic Party on the other side. I also advocate for ignoring the letter after the name of a politician and focusing on what they say. If she were in my district, I would have gladly voted for a Democrat like Gabbie Giffords over a nut like Alan Grayson. Giffords demonstrates a solid respect for the American system and understood the responsibilities to promote an atmosphere of working for the interests of America over partisan attacks.

      As for what has happened within the Democratic Party, I wrote an article the other day about former Dem Representative Cynthia McKinney who fawned all over Muammar Gaddafi just a year and a half ago. It was in a speech in Tripoli where she made all sorts of statements suggesting the socialist ideals in his Green Book are correct and more what America needs. Well, how does the life on Libyans look to anyone today? It is also in my article about how she is a member of the Green Party and ran under the Dem ticket to get elected. She ultimately switched back to the Green Party to run for President against Obama and McCain in ’08. There have been others… at one time, you could see a list of names(approximately 77) that the communist party claimed to be members that were already in office. That was from an Oct, 2008(I believe) post on their page but it has since been removed. I never fully bought into all of the names and took it as more of a self-aggrandizing effort to look bigger than they are.

      Not every party is perfect, nor is every person, but we must self regulate our parties and hold them to a higher standard than we have.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        I hate the term “teabagger,” myself. I never used it because of its alternate meaning. When I saw the early Tea Party rallies, I saw it on their signs. I thought to myself, “Ew. Really?” I don’t think they were aware of the other meaning because they wouldn’t have used it.

        Anyway, some members of the Green Party and the DSA have latched on to the Democratic party taking advantage of the two-party system, as the Tea Party did. They haven’t been as successful as the Tea Party in doing so. I would argue that they won’t be because of capitalism. It works, and the people in the United States know it.

        I believe their influence is in environmental and financial regulation and social issues. As a Democrat, I welcome them into my party because they remind me of important issues. The environment and the plight of people – poverty, justice, racial issues, etc. How we go about achieving what we all want is a completely different story. They just remind us of the common goal.

      • Snoring Dog Studio

        I’m so glad I came back to Spinny’s blog and I’m going to subscribe to yours, Questioning. One of the things I’ve learned since reading other bloggers is that LEARNING is possible even among opposing parties. This kind of forum has had positive benefits in that I’m more willing to take another look at the other side of the coin and that we have to stop getting angry to start listening.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        I am so happy you came back too! You’re definitely right about the anger. You write so well, and your example of civility is definitely something to strive for. And of course, I feel privileged that a FP celebrity wanders my blog.. ๐Ÿ™‚

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        Well, thank you again Snoring. Please be prepared that I am quite conservative in my positions. I do try to avoid super hot topics or when I do get into them, I try to escape from standard rhetoric.

        Learning is possible when we close our 1 mouth and open our 2 ears. Discussion is definitely a key to understanding a person’s views… that is why Spinny and I get along so well. I typically know where she comes from because of my pasta s a dem but I try not to take anything for granted with her. She does rock, though. If I was single… well, and a Democrat… I might ask her out on a date. ( ๐Ÿ˜‰ That was for you, Spinny. LOL )

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Haha ๐Ÿ™‚ Well, thank you kindly. If I were single, I’d accept.

        I think more Conservative men should ask Liberal ladies out. Date us, we’ll have wild fun, and then marry a Conservative lady. ๐Ÿ˜‰

      • Questioning With Boldness...

        LOL… Did I mention that I have a libertarian side to me? There are certain areas where political life stops. That would be right around the bedroom doors. ๐Ÿ™‚

        You have to wonder how Mary Matalin and James Carville have stayed together… there’s gotta be some magic there somewhere. Either that or he really is an alien?!?

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Haha of course. Screw politics when you can, well, screw. ๐Ÿ˜›
        Alien, definitely. Actually, I think it’s the whole opposites attract thing.

      • Terrance H.

        I forced her to come back with my charm…LOL.

        Anyway, this is issue was always pretty clear to me. I despise Westboro Baptist Church, but they have a right to protest, period. I agree with Spinny 100%

        To the fellow who used this case to bash Fox, I guess you didn’t watch the Hannity episode where he spoke with Fred Phelp’s daughter and told her she was a disgusting, hateful person, and when she started her gay-bashing, her cut off her mic.

        The people who yap about Fox never watch it, I’ve noticed.

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