Wanted: 14 State Senators

Wisconsin Governor Calls on Democrats who Fled State to Return

“Come back, Daddy loves you!” cried the union-guttting governor. Why did they run away? I think the reason is two-fold.

  • Tactical
  • They’re using the Wisconsin Constitution to their advantage. They know that the Senate doesn’t have enough live bodies to vote on it. They know that they can’t be arrested when Congress is in session. Those who went to IL know that the police can’t arrest them and drag them over the state line.

  • Symbolic
  • Without them (at least one), you can’t have your vote. You won’t get what you need to do, done. Same thing with these union workers. They are needed. It’s not hard to see the parallel between the senators fleeing and the teachers on strike. Also, if you don’t have experience with collective bargaining and strikes, you do now.

This is exciting. Time for Jiffy Pop! Go Senate Democrats! Stay on the lam.


34 responses to “Wanted: 14 State Senators

  • lbwoodgate

    Let’s hope the Democrats can tough it out. Texas Dems did the same thing several years back when GOP tried to vote on redistricting with their gains in 2002. Unfortunately it only served as a delaying tactic to avoid the inevitable.

    Teachers here in Texas will be gathering at the capital in Austin next month to protest the huge cuts to balance the state budget. The state has an $8.2 billion rainy day fund to use for such events but GOP Governor Rick Perry and his Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst have vowed not to tap that. If this doesn’t require the use of the rainy day fund (Texas has anywhere between $15 and $27 billion budget shortfall) I don’t know what does.

    It’s my suspicion that the Republicans are just using this budget crisis as a means to kill public programs their conservative souls find dislike. Education has already cut itself to the bone but these gutless wonders can’t find the moral character to use what surplus we have or even raise taxes to deal with this critical issue.

    The legislature planned poorly for future budgets, not anticipating population growth and costs of goods. So now they want educators to eat it. This rainy day fund is fed by oil & gas taxes which has ballooned with the price of oil lately and it will only get higher.

    • SpinnyLiberal

      I really hope they can stick it out too. Sheer will.

      Of course they want educators to eat it. Because they’re union, it’s easy to demonize them to the public by claiming they’re living like fat cats on union wages.

      “Education has already cut itself to the bone but these gutless wonders can’t find the moral character to use what surplus we have or even raise taxes to deal with this critical issue.”

      That pretty much sums it up.

  • Terrance H.

    You forgot one reason, Spinny:

    “Cowardice”

    • SpinnyLiberal

      *yawn* Repetitive nonsense originating from the Right is like white noise from a rickety fan or snowy TV. Sleep inducing. It’s almost nap time anyway. 🙂

      • Terrance H.

        As I said once before, Spinny: A “democracy-loving” liberal really should laud the cowardice dereliction of duty the crybaby democrats in Wisconsin are doing.

        Clearly, this is something all democracy-loving people should support. Clearly.

        More than that tidbit of irony, though, is that Gov. Walker campaigned on the issue – and yet he was elected, soundly.

        I guess liberals aren’t used to politicians who say they are going to do something and then actually do it…….

      • SpinnyLiberal

        Sure we are. Obama’s promises. Health care law, upping the number of troops in Afghanistan (BOO but he made good on the promise), expanding hate-crime statutes, and on and on. So Walker campaigned on the issue and won. People still have the right to protest it. Just like they’re doing with the health care law.

      • lbwoodgate

        Really Terrance?

        “A “democracy-loving” liberal really should laud the cowardice dereliction of duty the crybaby democrats in Wisconsin are doing.”

        So people being passionate about their causes are that easily dismissed by you because they cut class to pursue their passions? You mean it only matters when we show how it matters – but on weekends only? Perhaps there is more at stake here for some people Terrance than our children missing a few classes, you think?

  • Terrance H.

    Yes, yes, yes. Of course the people have a Right to protest. I support them 100%; not their message, but them.

    Here is a part of the Wisconsin State Constitution:

    Section 28. Members of the legislature, and all officers, executive and judicial, except such inferior officers as may be by law exempted, shall before they enter upon the duties of their respective offices, take and subscribe an oath or affirmation to support the constitution of the United States and the constitution of the state of Wisconsin, and faithfully to discharge the duties of their respective offices to the best of their ability.

    I wonder if running and hiding is an example of faithfully discharging their duties

    Here

    This is NOT how a Republic is supposed to operate. Gov. Walker and the Republicans campaigned on the issue, they won, and they are fulfilling their promises. It’s what the people want. The crybaby 14 are in NO WAY living up to their duties; they’re being unconstitutional, anti-American dirtbags, and little else.

    The Republicans who have pulled this same nonsense in the past are just as bad. My scorn is dished out equally, believe me.

    • SpinnyLiberal

      Bull poo poo. Walker is not even willing to discuss the collective bargaining rights. He will not budge, so you know what? Neither will they. I know he doesn’t have to, but you know what he may have to at the end of the day. Or a few from the GOP will defect to our side. There are some that don’t like that part of the bill.

      I hope they can find a good Extended Stay hotel in Chicago.

    • lbwoodgate

      Silly boy. “This is NOT how a Republic is supposed to operate. Gov. Walker and the Republicans campaigned on the issue, they won, and they are fulfilling their promises.”

      Wasn’t this EXACTLY how so-called Tea Party types behaved following Barack Obama’s election? Many trashed the democratic process by going to town hall meetings and shouting down the elected official’s voice as well as those of others there who had something different to say. They disrupted the democratic process by acting like angry little children who couldn’t have their way.

  • Terrance H.

    This is how fascism and dictatorships being. People refusing to take part in democracy, and others supporting their refusal.

    Fascism won’t come to American carrying a cross; it’ll come under the guise of liberalism.

    LICENSE THEY MEAN WHEN THEY CRY LIBERTY!

    • SpinnyLiberal

      Please! No discussions, so you know what? NO VOTE.

      • Terrance H.

        That’s not how things operate. It’s up to the Majority whether or not their will be discussion. That’s the way things work. If the Democrats don’t like it, then they can quit. In fact, pretty sure they have already.

        This is a Republic. When something doesn’t go your way, you don’t completely disrupt the democratic processes like a crybaby. You disrupt the process too much, it falls apart.

        Shame on them. And Walker should declare their positions abandoned and start appointing new Senators.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        This country is all about disrupting the process. From the day we were born. So here we go, challenging the way things operate.

        If he does that, I guarantee that city will explode. There were tens of thousands of people in that Capitol showing their displeasure and 14 Senators who agree with them and are showing it their way too.

        Civil disobedience.

    • lbwoodgate

      Not original Terrance. You could a t least point out that you were paraphrasing Sinclair Lewis’ great comment from his 1935 novel, “it Can’t happen Here” When Fascism come to America, it will be wrapped in the flag, carrying a cross. I’m pretty sure that’s what’s going on today, despite your views on this.

      • Terrance H.

        Would you please read the way in which I said it?

        Fascism won’t come to American carrying a cross; it’ll come under the guise of liberalism.

        It was said as though I were responding to someone, or something, and clearly I was.

        Regardless, we’ve elected the most liberal, pro-abortion president in history, and yet, amazingly, Christianity is taking over………….

  • Terrance H.

    You’re twisting things, Spinny, and solely for the sake of a ideology.

    Civil disobedience is what citizens do when the government becomes destructive; not what a paltry 14 senators do when the people want something they don’t want. It’s their job to represent constituents, not unions.

    They are anti-American, and so is anyone who agrees with their tactics.

    • SpinnyLiberal

      Those union members are part of their constituency too, you know. Or are we forgetting that because a lot of people hate unions.

      And we’re still a country all about disrupting the process. Without such disruption, many things wouldn’t have been accomplished. Emancipation, suffrage, etc.

      The accusations of being unAmerican is so overused against liberals all it elicits is an eye roll and not a shocked response. 🙂

      • Terrance H.

        Are all of their constituents out there protesting?

        No.

        They should be in their chamber, taking part in the democratic process. That is the correct, and American, way to handle this situation. Running and hiding like children just reinforce peoples hatred of liberals. It’s going to come back to haunt the Democrats; just wait and see.

        No, we aren’t a country about disrupting the process. We don’t send in the military to overthrow presidents when they do unpopular things. The democratic process and its tenets is precisely the reason emancipation, suffrage, and Civil Rights occurred. The Republicans didn’t obtain Civil Rights by running and hiding; they did it by taking part in the democratic process.

        People hate liberals, Spinny. You need to realize that. Less than 20% of the country ascribes to themselves the name liberal because liberalism is absurd. It’s an ideology, and a failed one at that. All the crap the liberals are pulling now makes people hate them even more, and it’s going to come back to haunt them. You watch and see. Gov. Walker is not going to falter on this issue. Those people are wasting their time, and what’s more: NOBODY CARES! The people of Wisconsin elected Gov. Walker, who campaigned on the issue. They wanted him to do exactly what he did. If the election were held tomorrow, Walker would win in a walk, and all the Democrats would be on their way out.

      • lbwoodgate

        “People hate liberals, Spinny. You need to realize that. Less than 20% of the country ascribes to themselves the name liberal because liberalism is absurd. It’s an ideology, and a failed one at that. All the crap the liberals are pulling now makes people hate them even more, and it’s going to come back to haunt them.”

        Now you’ve gone too far Terry. You decide that because only 20% of those polled refer to themselves as liberals that therefore all liberals are hated. What a childish way to look at things. This is a brat shouting at his parents “I hate you, and everybody else hates you too!” You extrapolate your hate for liberal on the rest of the world because of your own hate.

        I believe those same polls show that only 40% consider themselves conservative so can we assume that most people hate them too?

        The right wing extremists have worked diligently over the last 30 years to disparage the word “liberal” so people’s perceptions are tainted from this kind of negative exposure yet other polls show that on many issues, the majority line themselves up with progressive views, like this poll here that shows most people oppose GOP’s efforts to cut off funding for health care reform.

        Your comments are more the self-fullfilling prophesy type Terry than demonstrating any truth about how and who people hate.

        I have just lost all respect for you again. It seems you’re efforts to constrain your venomous views about your political adversaries was all a sham.

      • Terrance H.

        lbwoodgate,

        I haven’t gone “too far,” and I think John F. Kennedy and Nancy Pelosi would agree with me. JFK defened liberals and liberalism generally when he was alive, and Nancy Pelosi does so today. Hell, even Barbra Boxer is 0n television these days screaming about “Liberal Hunting License” bumper stickers.

        There is a lot of hate for liberals in this country, Larry, and if you’re being honest, you’d admit it.

        You can demonize me all you want, but if I hated liberals as much as you seem to think, then why have I made an effort to be decent to you? Why am I decent to Spinny? And, gee, do I hate my liberal father?

        Please.

        The poll was probably a poor way of proving my point, but you know what I mean, or at least you should – now.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        My point was that people seem to forget that the Union members are constituents too. They have a right to be heard, by their protest and their Democrat Senators.

        What these Democratic Senators are doing far from new. Lincoln, himself, did the same thing.

        The fact is that we are still a two-party system. If people hated liberals as much as you say they do, there would no longer be Democrats.

        Terrance, if they were wasting their time, they wouldn’t be getting support (in the form of pizzas) from around the nation AND the world.

      • Terrance H.

        Spinny,

        I do not forget anything. The people absolutely have the Right to protest; I support their Right 100%. I do not support their message, but then again, I wouldn’t mind seeing a little compromise from Gov. Walker.

        Lincoln overstepped his bounds, Spinny. People seem to forget THAT. We laud it now, because it was for a good cause, but it was still quite unconstitutional. And what’s going on in Wisconsin is a FAR CRY from what went on in 1860 America.

        Spinny, come on! Do you think Bill Clinton is a liberal? How about Harold Ford Jr.? Most Democrats are moderate; they are not overtly liberal. And we know what happens to Democrats who are too moderate, don’t we? (I think of……Joe Lieberman!)

        People don’t hate – HATE – liberals as in they want to chain them up and throw away the key. Many people, including myself, applaud SOME liberal ideals. BUT, liberalism as an ideology? People hate it! That’s what I meant, and if I didn’t explain that clearly, it was because I was nodding off while writing it.

        As an example? How many times have you heard a liberal say, “I don’t know why liberalism has become a dirty word, and so on. It’s quite common these days. And it was quite common in JFKs day, which is why he made the statement he did (and you know what statement I mean). Liberalism, the ideology, has been on the defensive for over 40-years, and for good reason.

        Many people support their Right to protest, yes. But how many support their message? Look at the polls.

        From the Huffington Post:

        With protests surging in Wisconsin over a law that President Obama described as an “assault on unions,” two new surveys show very different impressions of public employee labor unions among Americans. One finds a net positive rating of unions that represent people who work for state or local governments, while the other finds a two-to-one majority expressing opposition to the notion of public employee unions should “bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions.”

        The poll:

        Do you think government employees should be represented by labor unions that bargain for higher pay, benefits and pensions, or do you think government employees should not be represented by labor unions?

        Should 29%

        Should not 64%

        Here

        I’m not sure why lbwoodgate went crazy over this. The majority are not where you people are. And America definitely doesn’t support the Wisconsin 14.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        I’m getting confused with what you see as “liberalism.” Classical, modern. Are people equating liberal with the left?

      • Terrance H.

        Spinny,

        I think liberalism has been hijacked by the far-Left and their ideology. That’s what modern liberalism, in my opinion, is.

      • SpinnyLiberal

        IMHO, modern liberalism is not even in the same zip code as the Left. I have friends who are far Left. They don’t even like the term “liberal.”

    • lbwoodgate

      “It’s their job to represent constituents, not unions.

      That’s just plain silly Terrance and indefensible. Politicians of all stripes defend social groups to their liking, much like conservatives do for corporations and religious groups. Unions are highly representative of many among constituencies. Your logic would have us believe that legislators can’t represent ideas of constituents just because they are also Free Masons and Academics.

      And whether you see it or not, you are living up to Sinclair Lewis’ view about Fascism coming to America wrapped in a flag with your offensive views that THEY are anti-American. That too is an indefensible charge aimed solely to demonize people who share views inconsistent with yours. How un-American is that?

      • Terrance H.

        lbwoodgate,

        Your response is “just plain silly,” I suggest. That is unless you can show me where in the Constitution it is written that Representatives shall represent social groups and ideologies rather than people.

        Both sides, I think, are guilty of harboring a particular slant which may or may not be in tune with what a certain group believes, but in this instance, the Democrats in Wisconsin have clearly put a group, an ideology, ahead of the people. That’s sickening.

        Your last paragraph is just plain ridiculous.

  • Terrance H.

    And, BTW, why do you think the term anti-American is used against liberals so much, and so often?

    Ever think because it’s true. You people hold firm to an ideology that is, for the most part, inconsistent with American principles. That’s not vitriol, it’s fact.

    • lbwoodgate

      You people hold firm to an ideology that is, for the most part, inconsistent with American principles. That’s not vitriol, it’s fact.

      You people?? YOU PEOPLE?? Just who the hell are you pointing at someone with such self-righteous indignation? You’re right Terrance ( and I’m about this far from referring to you as Terry again) it’s not vitriol but it sure as hell isn’t fact.

      Back it up if you think it is. Show me where civil disobedience is defined where legislators can’t defy the government. Show me where civil disobedience is not people cheering on those legislators as an act of civil disobedience. What little handbook do you have that has the protocol for proper displays of civil disobedience?

      Your right wing biases are drooling out at record levels here so let’s see if you can offer something more than statements that are not simply based on what YOU believe is right or wrong.

      • Terrance H.

        Here we go. Another liberal indignant over the terminology “you people.”

        Please save the pseudo-outrage for someone else. YOU PEOPLE clearly means….liberals.

        What I believe is right or wrong doesn’t really matter here. I would LOVE for you to show mere where in the Constitution it is written that the minority may shut down the government because it doesn’t like the direction it is heading! It’s not the governments right! It’s the peoples right to change the direction of the government come election time if they are unhappy with the current direction. The people were, they made a change, and now the Democrats, the minority, are shutting down the government.

        To hell with it, they rage. If the people aren’t going to do what we want, we’re going to shut down the democratic process. How fascist and completely un-American!

    • lbwoodgate

      “Another liberal indignant over the terminology “you people.”
      Please save the pseudo-outrage for someone else. YOU PEOPLE clearly means….liberals

      Well duh. Who did you think I was referring too? Were you projecting certain hateful imageries on me that lie just beneath the surface of your own character?

      “What I believe is right or wrong doesn’t really matter here. I would LOVE for you to show mere where in the Constitution it is written that the minority may shut down the government”

      Two can play this silly game. Show me where it doesn’t say that? Besides we’re not dealing with the federal government here. It’s a state assembly, or did you get caught up in all of your emotional anti-liberal rantings and lose sight of this. Why are you bringing the U.S. Constitution into this?

      Listen, I’m not going to waste anymore time going back and forth over this with you.

      You are of course right and everyone else is wrong, so go away for now and be happy with your self-approval. I have better things to concern myself with than indulging your rigid immature behavior.

      • Terrance H.

        Excuse me, but did you honestly ask such a completely ridiculous question as that? Why does the U.S. Constitution matter? Tell me, is it your belief that local governments and municipalities do NOT have to follow the Constitution?

        Let’s try the following:

        Article IV Section 4:

        The United States shall guarantee to every State in this Union a Republican Form of Government, and shall protect each of them against Invasion; and on Application of the Legislature, or of the Executive (when the Legislature cannot be convened) against domestic Violence.

        The Federal Government MUST guarantee that the democratic process wins the day, in Wisconsin, and indeed, all States.

        You’re not going to respond to me anymore? Good.

  • Terrance H.

    Another thing that really pisses me off about you, lbwoodgate, is the obvious bias you exhibit whenever you make a statement. It’s damn sickening.

    Let me give you just one example. You laud the Rage Against the Machine fella coming to Madison to protest, yet you say NOTHING, NOTHING, about him referring to Gov. Walker as “the Mubarak of the Midwest.” That’s not hate, in your opinion? That’s not vitriol?

    I make a factual statement that there is A LOT OF HATE OUT THERE FOR LIBERALS, and you go nuts. But that idiot makes absurd, hateful statements like that, directed at someone who is trying to do his job, and you saying absolutely nothing.

    How pathetic.

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